Shock greets talk of 'Dome demolition

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Shock greets talk of 'Dome demolition

Postby newsposter » Thu Apr 13, 2006 3:46 pm

Willl the Saddledome get the chance to be a 'heritage building'? Story below. Photo from http://www.sisec.ca/

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Shock greets talk of 'Dome demolition

Suzanne Wilton, with files from Eva Ferguson, Calgary Herald
Calgary Herald

Thursday, April 13, 2006

The prospect of tearing down an iconic Olympic legacy that has come to define the Calgary skyline is already stirring an emotional debate among city aldermen.

While Calgary Flames president Ken King's "musings" about a new hockey arena received a lukewarm response Wednesday, the prospect of demolishing the Saddledome to make way was met with almost a resounding cold shoulder.

"There is a lot of sentimental attachment (to the Saddledome)," said Ald. Diane Colley-Urquhart.

Added Ald. Druh Farrell: "It seems like a tremendous waste to treat a building like it's disposable. That would be like demolishing the Performing Arts Centre."

King's proposal took nearly every alderman by surprise Wednesday.

Almost no one had ever heard such talk, but the discussions have nonetheless been going on among those closest to the issue.

The proposal wasn't "totally foreign" to Ald. Madeleine King, although talk of the plan has strictly been informal, she said.

The alderman, who is not related to Ken King, said she's "keeping an open mind" about the idea.

"It will be very sad to see this building go. It's part of our skyline, it's iconic.

"But . . . Calgarians would very much like to see the Flames franchise be enormously successful," she said.

Ald. Ray Jones said he had "heard rumours," but even after lunching Wednesday with Ken King, he had no idea there was anything seriously in the works.

"At some point in time, it's going to have to be built," said Jones, who supports the construction of a new facility as long as it's done with private dollars.

"If the Flames built the building, they would be on the hook for it. We just don't have the money to put into something like that."

Like Jones, nearly all aldermen gave the thumbs-down to using taxpayer dollars to fund construction.

But while most treated the proposal as if it were a pipe dream, others were intrigued -- even fiscal watchdog Ald. Ric McIver.

"In principle, the city subsidizing a private business is a bad idea," said McIver, "but we we need to weigh the value the Flames bring to the city.

"I need to do some research on this one."

Ald. Joe Ceci thinks King's plan to build a new facility is really just a "trial balloon."

"I think he just wants to see how much interest there would be in a new facility."

Ceci was skeptical about providing funds to the Flames for a new facility, explaining that he has many other priorities for city funds.

"I wasn't aware they were unhappy where they are. I was just at the Saddledome and they do a great show."

Ald. Craig Burrows, however, says he'd be open to discussing a plan for a new facility, or renovations to the existing building.

"I'm in support of listening to them, to see what they have to offer. They are a winning team now and citizens are responding to that."

swilton@theherald.canwest.com

© The Calgary Herald 2006
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Postby newsposter » Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:41 pm

"The Saddledome is more than just an arena. It is a proud and visible reminder of this city's triumphant hosting of the 1988 Olympics. More than the Calgary Tower, its presence defines the skyline. Any plans for change must include a viable role for the building." More below:

Love the Flames, hate the idea
It's way too early to discuss new home for hockey team

Calgary Herald Editorial

Friday, April 14, 2006

Calgary taxpayers have every right to be skeptical about news the Calgary Flames want a new arena built -- a plan that could see the Saddledome demolished -- and should remain hard-nosed in any discussion about bankrolling new digs for the hockey team.

Significant public dollars have been spent on the team's venue and a very strong business case would have to be made for a new publicly funded facility -- particularly if it involves erasing an Olympic legacy from the city's skyline.

Ken King, Flames president and CEO, confirmed Wednesday the hockey club has been in discussions with the city, the Calgary Stampede and the provincial government about replacing the 23-year-old Saddledome within 10 years.

Early blue-skying suggests a $200-million to $500-million complex, possibly on Stampede land, leaving the Saddledome to possibly face demolition. King says they need a better building to generate more revenue.

Calgarians can be forgiven for a twinge of deja vu. It wasn't all that long ago that team owners held city feet to the fire for a must-have $35-million renovation to the Saddledome. Without the upgrade, they warned in 1994, the Flames would abandon the building or sell the team. As owner Doc Seaman said at the time, they didn't want the city saddled with a white elephant of a non-competitive building if the team was "forced" to build another facility.

The arm-twisting worked, and the city funnelled $12 million slated for infrastructure to the Saddledome reno.

It would have been naive to think that was the last word. There's always tension between professional sports clubs and their municipalities. The push-and-pull between the civic benefits of a home team and the willingness of taxpayers to pay for hosting honours is simply part of the game.

But Calgary's unique in a couple of ways. First, the Saddledome is more than just an arena. It is a proud and visible reminder of this city's triumphant hosting of the 1988 Olympics. More than the Calgary Tower, its presence defines the skyline. Any plans for change must include a viable role for the building.

Remember, after all, that in 1994 the city invested money from federal infrastructure grants -- money that could have been used to build roads, sewers and overpasses. If the Saddledome is demolished, that investment is gone. Any road or overpass that would have been built instead would still be here for citizens to use for decades to come.

Besides, part of the reason for the city's support was to avoid what Seaman warned of at the time -- a white elephant unable to compete with a flashier arena down the street. That problem is just as real today as then.

Further, where's the business case for a new facility? The Flames say they need it for revenue, but as Mayor Dave Bronconnier points out, the team already has a great deal with the city, including management rights and exemptions on rent and property tax. The team's biggest costs by far -- labour -- have been significantly improved with the new players' contract. And current owners maintain they're not in it for the money, anyway, but to better the community.

We love our Flames, but the city should not feel compelled to help pay for a new home for the team. Calgarians' top spending priorities, by far, are roads and transit. That's where infrastructure money needs to be invested now.

© The Calgary Herald 2006

:arrow: Updated July 9, 2006 - excerpt from a story about Stampede Expansion in the Calgary Herald.

Not included in the plans, but being eyed as a possibility, is the relocation of the Saddledome from the centre of Stampede Park to a site near the LRT station on Macleod Trail. In April, Calgary Flames CEO Ken King said the organization wanted to replace the 23-year-old Saddledome to give it a more efficient configuration, including corporate suites that are closer to ice level.

"We've had some discussions and they seem to favour that location," Allan said. "I could see the LRT running right into the building. The problem is that they are dealing with an icon. I guess they'll have to build a new icon."
- Steve Allan, Stampede president.

Full story (free as of July 9, 2006): http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/sto ... 958d16afd1
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Postby newsposter » Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:52 am

Sat, August 19, 2006

'Dome improvement'

Flames measure cost of Saddledome renovations versus brand new building

By TODD SAELHOF, CALGARY SUN

The home of the Calgary Flames may be up for another facelift, says the NHL team's president.

Ken King said yesterday the club is looking into finding out the value of renovating the Saddledome compared to building brand new digs for the Flames ( :arrow: newsposter note: see above).

Full story: http://calsun.canoe.ca/News/Alberta/200 ... 2-sun.html
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Postby newsposter » Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:40 pm

Another "Calgary Flames want a new arena" story. August 24, 2007

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Columnists/Sp ... 3-sun.html
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Postby newsposter » Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:59 am

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Sensational Saddledome helped define Calgary

Robert Remington
Calgary Herald


Sunday, October 12, 2008


Twenty-five years ago this week, on Oct. 15, 1983, the Calgary Flames lost their season home opener 4-3 to the dreaded Edmonton Oilers.

For Calgary fans, the loss was tempered by the first star of the game -- not a player, but a building. The nearly $100-million Olympic Saddledome made its debut to oohs and aahs, an architectural wonder that became an instant icon on the city's skyline.

After three seasons in the old Stampede Corral, the Flames were now in a cutting-edge facility that two years earlier had cemented the city's bid for the 1988 Winter Olympics.

The Saddledome also gave the city a desperately needed morale boost. Calgary was in a gloomy state in 1983 as a boom-gone-bust caused the city to record a population decrease -- to 620,692 -- for the first time.

Today, the iconic Pengrowth Saddledome is the sixth-oldest arena in the National Hockey League and facing replacement. The Flames' management contract for the facility expires in 2014, by which time the team hopes to be in a new building, possibly next to the LRT station on the Stampede grounds. The Saddledome could be decommissioned, demolished or converted to another use.

Demolished? Many would beg for it not to be. Surprisingly, the man who designed the building is not among them.

"I have mixed emotions. I really like the building, but I realize things don't last forever," says Barry Graham, the Saddledome's now-retired lead architect. "If it has to come down, take it down. Don't leave it up for the wrong reasons." Even storied Yankee Stadium is destined for the wreckers ball, Graham notes. "You do what you have to do." Although its design is a perfect image for Calgary, Graham and his team never set out to build a stadium with a western theme.

Graham McCourt Architects, now GEC Architecture, was experimenting with a number of designs that would fit the multi-use building's technical and budgetary requirements when the saddle shape "just happened." "There are a lot of factors that go into a building -- acoustics, air volume, mechanical systems, camera positions, structural design," Graham explains. "We were exploring all the options. We did not want to do just another arena barn. The sense of the team was to do something special. It had to be unique in form, character and function, but there was no comment about making a western statement." Working with British structural engineer Jan Bobrowski, whose firm still lists the Saddledome on its website, the design team came up with the concept of a roof made of precast concrete panels supported by a net of cables.

"Think of it as a giant tennis racket, a grid of cables, and on this net you drop these concrete panels," says Graham. "It was a tricky system to build because you had to maintain the proper tension on the cables throughout the roof's construction." When the design was unveiled, people immediately began referring to the building's saddle-shaped roof. A contest to name the building attracted 1,270 entries, 735 of which had some mention of the word saddle.

Rejected names included Olympiad, The White Hat, the Megadome and the Calgary Paddock. The winning entry, drawn from a hat with similar saddle names, came from Bev Ritchie, a 43-year-old building maintenance worker from Calgary, and his son, Darrel, 23. They won season tickets to the Flames for two years.

Not everyone was thrilled with the new name, however, including Calgary's Olympic Organizing Committee (OCO). "It is neither Olympic nor western, and it's not even dome," said Frank King, the OCO chairman at the time.

True, domes are convex. This was concave. But the Olympic Saddle Reverse Hyperbolic Paraboloid -- the roof's correct mathematical description -- just didn't have much of a ring to it.

Giving birth to Calgary's Olympic Coliseum, as it was referred to in its earliest days, was political, controversial and tumultuous.

In 1980, Calgary brothers Byron and Darryl Seaman were leading a charge to obtain the Atlanta Flames NHL franchise for Calgary. The city was also preparing a bid for the 1988 Winter Games, which would be awarded in the fall of 1981. A new arena would help land both.

Calgary got the Flames franchise that year, but the Olympic bid hung in the balance. Time was of the essence.

Airdrie was pitched and rejected as a new arena site. The old Firestone plant at Memorial Drive and Deerfoot Trail, owned by a Bavarian land developer, was also considered. Fort Calgary, the city's most important historical site, was considered and rejected, as was a site at Nose Creek, north of the zoo.

The search was narrowed to three spots -- the Stampede grounds, a west downtown location at 14th Street and Bow Trail and another near the East Village. Although a consultant recommended the west downtown site as the least disruptive to surrounding communities, the Stampede was selected because the land was available and the clock was ticking.

Residents of Victoria Park launched an unsuccessful lawsuit. Construction began in July 1981, which impressed the International Olympic Committee.

"The fact that this facility was already being built added credibility to (Calgary's) bid and proved to be a positive factor in demonstrating Calgary's commitment to hosting the Games," according to the XV Olympic Winter Games official report.

Construction was fast-tracked, a process that led to loose cost control. When the arena came in eight months late and $16 million over budget, accusations flew, an investigation was launched, and Calgary and Alberta taxpayers were ultimately left on the hook.

The Saddledome hit the cover of Time magazine on Sept. 27, 1987. The construction and architectural world went ga-ga, bestowing the designers with several architectural and engineering awards. Technical magazines wrote about it in detail,. The Saddledome's floating roof, which can compensate for Calgary's rapid fluctuations in temperature by moving 7.5 centimetres in any direction, was the talk of the town in the arcane world of the post-tension pre-stressed concrete industry.

Although it cost $97.7 million, the interior volume of the building is 55 per cent less than a building with a traditional horizontal roof, resulting in reduced heating, lighting and maintenance costs. The Saddledome is believed to still hold the world record for the longest spanning hyperbolic paraboloid concrete shell. That matters little in the competitive economics of professional sport, with its ever-increasing demand for luxury boxes and more seats.

Ken King, the Calgary Flames president and CEO, says the organization has concepts and designs for a new arena, but it is not ready to reveal them.

The new structure, he says, is a "complex of facilities that our city needs." Although approached to move to a suburban location, the team prefers to remain at Stampede Park or downtown.

"It will be a centrepiece, a gathering place for our city," says King.

He is well aware that many Calgarians have an emotional attachment to the Saddledome, which has helped to define the city. "We understand and appreciate the romantic attachments to it, but in the longer term, it needs to be replaced. A new stadium would be a wonderful thing to have." - - - By the numbers- Seating capacity: 19,289- First game: Oct. 15, 1983 Flames vs. Oilers, Flames lost 4-3- Number of luxury suites: 72- First concert: Moody Blues Nov. 25, 1983- Most frequent performer: Rod Stewart, 11 concerts- Size of concourse: 30,071 square metres- Other names: Olympic Saddledome (1983-96) Canadian Airlines Saddledome (1996-2000)- Cost of construction: $100 million rremington@theherald.canwest.com

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